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[19:31] <webcs> greetings all
[19:31] <a_blip> hi
[19:32] <RingSongs> hey will
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[19:32] <RingSongs> hey T&h
[19:32] <HeatherTim> Hi
[19:32] <webcs> hi T&H, glad to see you
[19:33] <HeatherTim> glad we could make it this time
[19:33] <RingSongs> will, what we taklin about in todays chat?
[19:33] <webcs> appreciated....especially good so we can discuss the new buttons
[19:34] <HeatherTim> wanted to ask... do I need to send you anything - images etc. - button wise
[19:34] <webcs> no planned guest this time...was trying to get the webmaster from Sliders to come to discuss the scifi channel $$$ issue but he would not return his emails...sill aot to talk about
[19:34] <webcs> would appreciate it if you emailed me a button image so I can properly promote it and link info
[19:35] <RingSongs> Farscap season premiere is on the 17th.   :)
[19:35] <webcs> what's the pricing?
[19:35] <HeatherTim> do you want all 7 designs?
[19:35] <RingSongs> Will: I told Boothby about it, who knows if hes coming or not
[19:35] <HeatherTim> We're not selling them (legal issues) but we are giving them as thank you gifts for those who donate to the campaign
[19:36] <webcs> thats what I meant...whats the deal on the donation amount then?
[19:36] <webcs> what are they made out of too?
[19:37] <HeatherTim> $10 + donation and we send one button of your choice
[19:37] <HeatherTim> $30 + and we send all seven
[19:37] <RingSongs> what is the donation $ going for?
[19:37] <webcs> choices...terrific
[19:37] <HeatherTim> They are 3" round buttons - metal back with a pin and plastic over the design on the front
[19:37] <RingSongs> I know its not an ad, since theres no point in that, so whats the money for...
[19:37] <webcs> mayvbe you could get some of the actors to autograph a few and offer them in a special donation amount for really big donations.
[19:37] <HeatherTim> Donations pay for making buttons and flyers to be passed out by Crusade actors at Sci-Fi cons
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[19:38] <galan2002> hello
[19:39] <webcs> asked me a few times about online money luck a new NO FEE service just opened called is perfect for this
[19:39] <HeatherTim> Its a good idea - but do you think people would want autographed buttons rather than photos or something like that?
[19:40] <webcs> hey....offer long as they are limited edition your gonna get some good donations izes
[19:40] <HeatherTim> Will, could you send us the address/info for PAYPAL and we'll check it out
[19:41] * a_blip sent info about paypal to Alisa while ago
[19:41] <webcs> its the deal on it
[19:41] <a_blip> I think I cced you too
[19:41] <HeatherTim> okay - I'll look for it in the emails - thanks
[19:41] <webcs> There are NO fees.  ANyone who has a credit card can use it.  You dont need to be a merchant.  Its for personal person to person transfers
[19:42] <webcs> not only they but they will PAY YOU $10 to signup!!!!!!
[19:42] <webcs> You can deposit and withdraw money at any time once again for no fees
[19:42] <a_blip> And $10 for referals (or have they stopped that now)
[19:42] <webcs> Rings:  also looking forward to Farscape's premier and the return of GvsE
[19:43] <webcs> I dont know...might still be doing it
[19:43] <RingSongs> whats gvse?
[19:43] <webcs> HeatherT....who designed the buttons you??
[19:43] <a_blip> Good vs. Evil
[19:44] <webcs> Good vs. Evil moves to SciFi this week, formally on USA
[19:44] <RingSongs> ohh
[19:44] <RingSongs> is it part of sci fi prime?
[19:44] <webcs> Yes..friday
[19:44] <RingSongs> Dang! SFC sucks, they need to put Crusade where Sliders was...err
[19:44] <HeatherTim> we'll check it out - just a little cautious since we had trouble with credit cards last time
[19:44] <a_blip> It's wacky but fun
[19:44] <webcs> theres an example of two networks that now how to work together...
[19:44] <HeatherTim> Heather designed the buttons
[19:44] <RingSongs> yes, well USA owns Sci Fi
[19:44] <a_blip> Paypal has some *major* backers
[19:44] <webcs> WB unfortunately isn't as easy to work it otherwise B5 would have moved to WB easily.
[19:45] <RingSongs> B5 isnt the type of show to go on WB
[19:45] <webcs> Paypal is the real deal...they are signing up 9000 peoplea day.
[19:45] <RingSongs> the closest they ahve to Sci FI is E:FC
[19:45] <webcs> EFC is not part of the WB network, its syndicated
[19:45] <RingSongs> Its on the WB Network, and owned by it, lol
[19:45] <webcs> Early on in WB's developement it would have fit in.
[19:46] <RingSongs> just lik Deep Space Nine was syndicated but it was sitll owned by UPN and on UPN..
[19:46] <a_blip> Have ppl read the recent reports of new troubles for E:FC
[19:46] <RingSongs> I havent watched E:FC since the middle of the first season
[19:47] <webcs> Magel is always saying something new...that series is a failure all around.  I'm really dissapointed in Majel.  The whole point of that show was to tell a story and now she doesnt care anymore
[19:47] <webcs> Now she just announced they will be doing STAND ALONE episodes ONLY!  Pointless.
[19:47] <RingSongs> whats this series JMS was supposedly working on..
[19:47] <webcs> World on Fire????
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[19:48] <webcs> hi cool chick
[19:48] <cool_chick_2006> hi all
[19:48] <cool_chick_2006> hi tom5
[19:48] <cool_chick_2006> hi web
[19:48] <tom5> hey!
[19:48] <cool_chick_2006> a/s/l?
[19:48] <RingSongs> cool chick, thats a different name, no offense, lol
[19:48] <webcs> lol
[19:48] <RingSongs> ah, I take it ur not from the SaveCrusade list?
[19:48] <cool_chick_2006> it's ok
[19:48] <RingSongs> lol
[19:49] <webcs> ANyways, Gene R. is rolling in his grave, I know it.
[19:49] <cool_chick_2006> a/s/l????
[19:49] <tom5> My plan for saving "Crusade": when the Toyota MR2-Spyder gets released in a few weeks, we get every B5 fan to test drive one.
[19:49] <a_blip> ca. 300/unknown/Mars
[19:49] <webcs> haha
[19:49] <RingSongs> 14/m/ca
[19:49] <cool_chick_2006> lmao
[19:49] <RingSongs> lol
[19:49] <tom5> Toyota then sponsors "Crusade" on whichever network.
[19:50] <webcs> H&T: you know is allisa is coming tonight?
[19:50] <tom5> Sure...
[19:50] <HeatherTim> don't know
[19:51] <a_blip> nope
[19:51] <webcs> I agree with her though that the battle is just about over from our vantage point.  All we can do now is keep the organization alive for the future.
[19:51] <HeatherTim> The time when things can really happen is when B5 gets free from TNT...
[19:52] <RingSongs> B5 WILL go to sci fi
[19:52] <webcs> B5 is free from TNT...
[19:52] <cool_chick_2006> hey Rings do you have ICQ!
[19:52] <RingSongs> whether or not crusade happens
[19:52] <RingSongs> i just know it
[19:52] <webcs> Crusade isn't yet
[19:52] <HeatherTim> about a year from now - when B5 hits reruns on a channel that supports it - things could happen
[19:52] <a_blip> Crusade is in a "cryo tube" :)
[19:52] <RingSongs> no its not
[19:52] <RingSongs> its on sat's at 7 am
[19:52] <RingSongs> Yes I have ICQ
[19:52] <webcs> wait a minute, its the other way around isnt it...sorry
[19:52] <HeatherTim> We need to keep people interested until them
[19:52] <cool_chick_2006> Whats your icq #?
[19:52] <RingSongs> 15661136
[19:53] <HeatherTim> Will, other way round?
[19:53] <tom5> I'm sure that we'll something from the B5 in the next year...
[19:53] <tom5> B5 universe
[19:53] <webcs> crusade is what is free correct, not B5 from TNT
[19:53] <HeatherTim> yes, Crusade is free
[19:53] <webcs> thanks...sorry I messed that up....
[19:54] <HeatherTim> But we think when B5 becomes free (about a year from now) that will be Crusade's best chance
[19:54] <webcs> ALthough I dont see any reason why TNT wouldn't sell B5 rights off at any chance...they dont make use of them now.
[19:54] <tom5> I propose that the "new" series be called "Crusade: 2270"
[19:54] <HeatherTim> I think it might be personal between TNT and JMS at this point
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[19:54] <a_blip> They might keep the rights just to spite jms?
[19:54] <Galenlove> Hello
[19:54] <webcs> I think there will have to be a "new" series that brings Crusade from the side.
[19:55] <HeatherTim> Yes, I think burying B5 at 7am is spite on the part of TNT
[19:55] <webcs> I would expect the powers that be keep changing, so no one that matters will remember JMS in a few months
[19:55] <Galenlove> Hey Tim/Heather HI!!!!!
[19:55] <webcs> Well global tape sales are ging well I know
[19:56] <HeatherTim> That's the other hope - the way things change in Hollywood, everything could be different tomorrow
[19:56] <HeatherTim> HI
[19:56] <a_blip> Crusade tapes are on 3. place on Blackstars sales list
[19:56] <webcs> wow
[19:57] <a_blip> The covers are gorgeous
[19:57] <webcs> that's impressive to say the least
[19:57] <tom5> The parent company (that "own's" B5) seems to be eager to produce more "Crusade" episodes...given a market in the US
[19:57] <webcs> Its even more popular outside the US from what I've heard.
[19:57] <webcs> On channels that actually promoted it.
[19:57] <HeatherTim> One more piece of info on TNT and 7 am: JMS said on the moderated group today...
[19:58] <tom5> B5 is show three times every weekday on Canada's "Space: The Imagination Station" (comparable to the Sci-Fi Channel)
[19:58] <cool_chick_2006> Rings  accept me to your contact list!
[19:58] <Galenlove> Tim&Heather I wanted to tell guys that your website was the first one I found back in July!!!I love it!!
[19:58] <HeatherTim> that according to B5 licensers like Del rey, the reason B5 merchandise like books are getting scaled back is because of TNT's 7am starttime for B5
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[19:58] <webcs> Got a question for you all...Alissa mentioned that Bruce B was involved in Majel's new series called Kariri...does anyone know if that name is correct because I found NO info on it anywhere on the net?
[19:58] <HeatherTim> Thanks, Galenlove
[19:58] <tom5> "Kukiri"?
[19:58] <a_blip> I've heard it described as Genisis
[19:59] <tom5> try the "Coaxial" section of
[19:59] <cool_chick_2006> hello RingsSong
[19:59] <webcs> The names keep changing...Majel's projects are in flux so much
[19:59] <RingSongs> what cool chick
[19:59] <Galenlove> Because your message board I met alot of poeple,thanks.
[20:01] <webcs> From what I hear a Sliders movie is a pretty large possibility.
[20:01] <RingSongs> Does anyone know when B5 is free of TNT
[20:02] <webcs> Despite the fact SciFi gave it the ax due to monetary reasons that also hurt Crusade
[20:02] <RingSongs> I wish I had b5 three times a day, damn canadians, its not fair, lol
[20:02] <HeatherTim> B5 is free of TNT Feb. 2001
[20:02] <webcs> so less than a year and counting
[20:02] <RingSongs> Sliders was awesome, everyone was dissing it, I liked it.
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[20:02] <tom5> "Blame Canada"
[20:02] <HeatherTim> Counting the days...
[20:02] <webcs> Well, the rating HELD with the new cast.  SciFi just couldnt afford to keep it
[20:03] <webcs> hehe
[20:03] <tom5> How long will it take for "Crusade: 227-
[20:03] <tom5> "to ramp up?
[20:03] <tom5> production
[20:03] * a_blip has never seen sliders
[20:03] <HeatherTim> SciFi really messed up committing money to First Wave
[20:03] <HeatherTim> That probably hurt Crusade as well as Sliders
[20:03] <webcs> That was a weird move HT
[20:04] <RingSongs> First Wave sucks
[20:04] <webcs> totally must have
[20:04] <webcs> ANd the whole thing is they didn't have to commit to it...They signed for 3 years in advance...WHY!!!
[20:04] <Galenlove> Have you heard Sci-Fi has given this guy his show called CROSSING OVER?
[20:04] <HeatherTim> guess because it had Francis Ford Copalla's name attached
[20:05] <HeatherTim> What he has to do with Sci-Fi, I don't know.
[20:05] <a_blip> Like "White Dwarf"?
[20:05] <webcs> Never heard of any scifi series getting more than a 13 initial commitment.  THey are a scifi network.  They should know better more than everyone that the majority fail.
[20:05] <Galenlove> As anyone heard about this new show CROSSING OVER?
[20:06] <webcs> no..whats it about?
[20:06] <HeatherTim> haven't heard of Crossing over?
[20:06] <tom5> any idea when the Sci-Fi Channel will have the funds to do a "Crusade"-level series?
[20:06] <RingSongs> they do, they have farscape
[20:07] <webcs> Its not that they dont have the money to do those series, its that they are already committed to all the series they can support
[20:07] <HeatherTim> Our guess is they will be able to rerun B5 and Crusade after the B5 rights on TNT expires
[20:07] <tom5> isn't "Farscape" a co-production?
[20:07] <HeatherTim> Don't know when they'll have the money free to pay for new shows
[20:07] <tom5> with someone in Australia?
[20:07] <webcs> I believe SciFi pays the total bill on Farscape
[20:08] <a_blip> Well... Hallmark are credited at the end
[20:08] <webcs> Its made in Australia but I think SciFi is the primary $$$
[20:08] <a_blip> And the 9 Network (Austailia)
[20:08] <webcs> Thats because Henson/Halmark are linked
[20:08] <tom5> Perhaps the media hydra that is AOL/Warner will find some pocket change...
[20:08] <webcs> The more companies combine the harder it is to get anything done
[20:09] <HeatherTim> I believe that we will see B5 on Sci-Fi come 2001
[20:09] <tom5> maybe a product placement shot of the new Netscape Communicator browser in an upcoming episode of "Crusade: 2270"
[20:09] <HeatherTim> They do want the show
[20:09] <webcs> Lucky for Farscape it is made so far away from the suits...
[20:09] <HeatherTim> Suits have a long arm
[20:09] <tom5> "X-Files", when it was shot in Vancouver, avoided a lot of studio suits...
[20:09] <webcs> Yes, but you have to admit Australia is better than LA
[20:10] <webcs> There are advantages to being away from LA and NY
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[20:10] <HeatherTim> hoboken is better than LA
[20:10] <webcs> hahaha...true
[20:10] <webcs> lol
[20:10] <a_blip> The suits might be happy with Farscape
[20:10] <tom5> We just have to convince Netter Digital Entertainment that Calgary is a good, cheap location...
[20:11] <HeatherTim> Anyway, My major concern is with the syndication of B5
[20:11] <a_blip> I alwas got the impression that TNT started messing... becasue the *could*
[20:11] <tom5> Believe it, or not...Calgary has enough of a production base...
[20:11] <webcs> There was a very weird run-up in the value of NETTER stock 2 weeks ago
[20:11] <tom5> I noticed that NDE stock shot up...
[20:11] <tom5> could be just a fluke
[20:11] <webcs> It has held a 1 a share for 2 years and suddenly sht up to 3
[20:11] <HeatherTim> Probably due to Battletech
[20:11] <tom5> could be another of their series is renewed...
[20:11] <a_blip> Robotech 3000
[20:11] <Galenlove> Read about it in the paper.
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[20:12] <HeatherTim> Robotech
[20:12] <webcs> and that came after a LOSS report...its settling back to 1 but there must have been something inside happening.
[20:12] <HeatherTim> thats right
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[20:12] <tom5> at least NDE is surviving...
[20:12] <webcs> Robottech 3000 is not a new issue though...its been known for 6 months now
[20:12] <tom5> perhaps we'll yet see new episodes of "Crusade"
[20:12] <tom5> one can only hope...
[20:12] <HeatherTim> We will if we keep things burnin'
[20:13] <HeatherTim> for another year
[20:13] <webcs> God...I gotta get the animation channel, my stupid cable company gives me TOON about crap
[20:13] <HeatherTim> We must wait TNT out
[20:13] <HeatherTim> with respect to the B% rights
[20:13] <tom5> I suspect that we'll see production starting to ramp-up this fall
[20:13] <HeatherTim> B5
[20:13] <tom5> "now we await the passage of time"
[20:13] <HeatherTim> True enough
[20:14] <tom5> <mode="drahk">we are very patient</mode>
[20:14] <webcs> This is definitely a long term battle...kind of have to go into LOW mode for a while and continue doing small things and not burn ourselves out until B5 is available
[20:14] <HeatherTim> B5 is starting to Fail because it can't expand it's fan base
[20:14] <HeatherTim> when it is shown at & am Sat
[20:14] <webcs> One thing is certain...once B5 is free it will CERTAINLY find a home
[20:14] <tom5> could be just a bump in the battle for minds
[20:14] <HeatherTim> 7 AM
[20:14] <tom5> versus "three times a day"
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[20:14] <RingSongs> stupid aol
[20:14] <HeatherTim> TNT where the T is for testosterone
[20:15] <RingSongs> Farscape hasnt even been shown in Aussie yet, i think its just owned by sci fi and henson..
[20:15] <webcs> I believe the lack of exposure for the episodes if actually a good thing though.  People will want to see them more when TNT rights expire.
[20:15] <tom5> perhaps AOL/Warner will realize that it has a cash cow on their hands?
[20:15] <a_blip> "Worst case of testosterone poisening I've ever seen..."
[20:15] <HeatherTim> Trouble is to the casual viewer...
[20:15] <HeatherTim> They do not know what in helll B5 is
[20:15] <tom5> soon...
[20:15] <tom5> they will
[20:15] <tom5> less than a year
[20:16] <webcs> Understandable
[20:16] <webcs> I bet some people will think its an original series when it moves.... no kidding
[20:16] <HeatherTim> Our task is to keep things simmering for the next few months..
[20:16] <HeatherTim> It will be hard
[20:16] <webcs> slowly simmering...HT adds the salt I'll add some parsley
[20:16] <a_blip> Get Crusade into reruns?
[20:16] <Galenlove> Sci-Fi is giving this guy that can talk to the dead.Crossing Over is his show.
[20:17] <HeatherTim> Things are starting to fold up and Momentum is being lost
[20:17] <HeatherTim> Sci -Fi goes for Cheap programming
[20:17] <webcs> Did anyone see THE OTHERS Saturday?
[20:17] <tom5> I came to the realization that the B5 series is a massive, planetary image-gun...which takes about 23 weeks to cycle-through once
[20:17] <HeatherTim> I would not be surprised to see sa sci-fi game show
[20:17] <Galenlove> Yeap!
[20:17] <tom5> HT: we'll get rich!
[20:17] <HeatherTim> Other?   yes
[20:17] <webcs> Well B5 is NOT expensive SCIFI...just good scifi at a bargain price
[20:17] <HeatherTim> I agree
[20:18] <HeatherTim> however.. they are really cheap
[20:18] <webcs> I dont know of another show that gives what it gives per dollar
[20:18] <tom5> plus, B5 is 23 weeks, at 5 days per week, including the movies
[20:18] <webcs> Of course every year its cheaper and cheaper for Netter to do what they do
[20:18] <HeatherTim> good for stripping
[20:18] <tom5> slightly more than a run-through twice-a-year
[20:19] <Galenlove> Crusade could have been to B5 what TNG was for Star Trek.
[20:19] <HeatherTim> Could have been hasd Warner any guts
[20:19] <HeatherTim> and imagination
[20:19] <tom5> more like, if anyone gave Warner any money
[20:20] <tom5> perhaps we should get a huge company (General Motors, Toyota) to sponsor "Crusade: 2270"?
[20:20] <a_blip> No... If anyone at Warner both cared and had some power
[20:20] <tom5> or Saturn (the car company)
[20:20] <HeatherTim> Would anyone here buy B5 DVD's
[20:20] <tom5> yes
[20:20] <RingSongs> B5 is 23 weeks?
[20:20] <RingSongs> Its 22 weeks per season
[20:20] <RingSongs> on TNT
[20:20] <tom5> get me the box edition!
[20:20] <tom5> RingSongs: plus, a week for the movies
[20:20] <webcs> Think in the long term there will be a scifi explosion when Broadband allows broadcasts over the internet that can support TV shows
[20:20] <RingSongs> used to be 11! but now there only showing ONE episode aweke, jeez
[20:21] <HeatherTim> OK.. has anyone brought the videotapes of B5
[20:21] <RingSongs> tom5: it would be 110 weeks for just the episodes
[20:21] <tom5> of course, TNT's option will run out in less than a year
[20:21] <webcs> I know from my Amazon links that they are popular buys
[20:21] <HeatherTim> The videotape are being canceled
[20:21] <webcs> and when people buy they usually buy several at once
[20:21] * a_blip has season 1-3 on britsh tapes
[20:22] <webcs> THey are????
[20:22] <tom5> hopefully, the funds will be there to do a "special editon" in anamophic widescreen
[20:22] <HeatherTim> yes
[20:22] <webcs> Where did you hear that?
[20:22] <webcs> Even the new box sets?
[20:22] <RingSongs> Does anyone have news on the Trek series 5?....
[20:22] <HeatherTim> several places check out Sandra Bruckner's Zocala
[20:22] <Galenlove> Think about it,Star Trek had not been on T.V, for 20 years but TNG was a hit.Maybe,in 20 years Crusade will be a hit!!
[20:22] <RingSongs> well, I dont think i could wait 20 years, lol
[20:22] <HeatherTim> I bring this up because everything B5 is being hit hard
[20:23] <webcs> Trek 5 is in a battle right now...Paramount is being really picky but the rumor now is it may eveolve out of the end of voyager
[20:23] <HeatherTim> Because of the time slot we can't increase the fan base
[20:23] <HeatherTim> at 7 AM
[20:23] <RingSongs> I heard the biggest possibility was a Sulu series, lol
[20:23] <tom5> HT: yet...
[20:23] <Galenlove> I going to  buy season one Friday!!!
[20:23] <RingSongs> at 7 and 8 am it was bad enough, but now 7,  I dont even remember to watch it anymore,
[20:24] <tom5> someone will realize that B5 is a 23-week cycle series...with impressive demographics
[20:24] <webcs> Well that tape news is a shock to me.
[20:24] <HeatherTim> We are going to lose the books, the videotapes , and the magazine
[20:24] <webcs> Suppose that kills any DVD plans
[20:24] <HeatherTim> alll due to the Crusae's cancellation
[20:24] <webcs> ok now I'm getting mad
[20:24] <Galenlove> I found them out a book store.
[20:24] <RingSongs> What about the CDs?
[20:24] <RingSongs> Is CF going to be making any more?
[20:25] <HeatherTim> Don't know about the CDs
[20:25] <a_blip> The first DVDs woudl be the british
[20:25] <webcs> Sonic Images seems to do things in small scale so I'm sure Jonathan will keep the Cd's available for years to come
[20:25] <tom5> but, if a series is picked-up set in the B5 universe...there'll be a turn-around
[20:25] <HeatherTim> This can all be reversed if B5 could tap into a new market
[20:25] <RingSongs> I think its a pretty good bet that Evan Chen isnt making another crusade cd
[20:25] <webcs> I do think the Crusade CD will not be around forever though..gotta order that one soon myself
[20:26] <Galenlove> In the books what season are they in?
[20:26] <HeatherTim> i.e the show must be shown at a good time on a network that supports it
[20:26] <HeatherTim> post season 5
[20:26] <RingSongs> The books ive read were from 1, 2 and 3
[20:26] <HeatherTim> I'm sorry I was speaking about the trilogies
[20:26] <RingSongs> and the books from the tv movies were awesome...extra scenes...
[20:26] <RingSongs> trilogies?
[20:26] <webcs> Well, with everything being cancelled all we have left are the websites...have to keep them up at all costs.
[20:26] <RingSongs> what trilogies?
[20:27] <tom5> there are two different book trilogies coming out
[20:27] <HeatherTim> telepath, centauri,technomage trilogies
[20:27] <RingSongs> oh
[20:27] <tom5> one is complete: the Telepath trilogy
[20:27] <RingSongs> those must be pretty new, havent seen em at the library
[20:27] <RingSongs> As long as hte Lurkers Guide doesnt get shut down, I dont think the fan base will get much lower
[20:27] <Galenlove> I have 1-8,but I seen number nine at my library!
[20:28] <webcs> I have to disagree...I think its shrinking by the day
[20:28] <tom5> of course, it depends on where one is located
[20:28] <RingSongs> why would it shrink?
[20:28] <webcs> otherwise we wouldnt see this MASS cancellation
[20:28] <a_blip> Read #9... it's excelent
[20:28] <tom5> in Canada, I'm betting that the fan base is growing
[20:28] <Galenlove> col
[20:28] <Galenlove> cool
[20:28] <RingSongs> Ive been a fan ever since I saw In The Beginning, 
[20:28] <Galenlove> sorry
[20:28] <webcs> THE QUESTION IS:  why would it maintain strength???  thats impossible given the current conditions
[20:28] <RingSongs> It was nice seeing the eps 20 eps a month instead of 4:)
[20:29] <webcs> Yes, but we are becoming the minority
[20:29] <tom5> webcs: give it time...TNT won't have the rights to B5 forever
[20:29] <HeatherTim> That's why we're focusing on things like the button campaign which are fun for the fans
[20:29] <RingSongs> is the button campaign just crusade, or b5 too?
[20:29] <webcs> I'm not giving up, I'll be here for 10 years, I just am stating the facts
[20:29] <HeatherTim> We need to find ways like that to give people things to focus on until B5 is free
[20:30] <HeatherTim> Button campaign is for Crusade - but taps into fans of the B5 universe in general, I think
[20:30] <webcs> Just want people to realise there are even harder times coming and we have to be aware of that and not get too down...but still be realistic
[20:30] <tom5> I'm betting around July 2000, will be the darkest hour
[20:30] <webcs> The button campaign is a GREAT thing
[20:30] <Galenlove> Is Season 2-5 on tape?
[20:30] <RingSongs> I wish there were still conventions, I never got to go to any, lol
[20:31] <HeatherTim> Will, we agree, its gonna be a rough time
[20:31] <webcs> random episodes are on tape from the various seasons
[20:31] <RingSongs> I was gonna go to that one in pasadena that had b5 and st people but for wahtever reason i didnt go...and that was before i saw b5
[20:31] <webcs> I have a list of them at the store at
[20:31] <HeatherTim> But that's what we're all here for to try to keep everyone's spirits up until the better times come back
[20:31] <RingSongs> Will: Arent all of them avialable through Columbia House?
[20:32] <RingSongs> This year's really been dead for sci fi, we lost B5 and DS9
[20:32] <tom5> considering that at the end of every season of "Babylon 5", there was the cliffhanger of whether it was renewed, or not...
[20:32] <webcs> All the episodes?  I dont think they all were released
[20:32] <RingSongs> and my stupid UPN doesnt show reruns of DS9 or TNG.
[20:32] <tom5> we're lucky that we have 5 seasons of B5, and a partial season of "Crusade"
[20:32] <RingSongs> so theres not much good sci fi on here
[20:33] <webcs> Every season...I started watching B5 from day one and writing the networks, it was hell every single end of season
[20:33] <RingSongs> Yea, but crusade shouldnt of ended like that, lol
[20:33] <HeatherTim> has everyone seen ISN's virtual Crusade season 2000?
[20:33] <a_blip> ???
[20:33] <Galenlove> For the box set is 44 dollars!
[20:33] <tom5> no, haven't seen it yet
[20:33] <webcs> no whats that about HT?
[20:33] <Galenlove> no
[20:33] <HeatherTim> ISN is organizing a rewatching of Crusade (in a better order) for everyone who has them on tape.
[20:34] <HeatherTim> Its a great idea - to celebrate the show
[20:34] <webcs> OH...
[20:34] <HeatherTim> and maybe fill a bit ot the void while we wait
[20:34] <webcs> I assume it ignores the uniforms
[20:34] <HeatherTim> and get people talking about crusade and enjoying it again
[20:34] <webcs> I have all but the first ep on tape
[20:34] <Galenlove> I have 8 out of 13!
[20:34] <RingSongs> I had them all
[20:34] <RingSongs> but the quality sucked
[20:35] <RingSongs> same with b5
[20:35] <tom5> I've archived all 13...
[20:35] <HeatherTim> They're having a vote on the order - so we'll see if people want to ignore the uniforms or not
[20:35] <webcs> Gotta go at least LP or higher on the taping!
[20:35] <a_blip> I've got seven on my harddrive
[20:35] <RingSongs> and it was impossible trying to tape b5 with 2 eps a week
[20:35] <a_blip> :)
[20:35] <RingSongs> lol
[20:35] <webcs> they'll have to ignore them, its the only way to reorder
[20:35] <RingSongs> EP is fine
[20:35] <RingSongs> its just 
[20:35] <RingSongs> my vcr was mesed up
[20:35] <RingSongs> and made everything snowy
[20:35] <webcs> My thought is use the last episodes as a baseline, through out the first episode and use the reast as filler
[20:36] <webcs> EP???  oh god...cant get any sound quality
[20:36] <a_blip> BTW - tomorrow is the final chance for the B5 computer game
[20:36] <webcs> whats the inside scoop on that a_blip?
[20:37] <a_blip> It doesn't look good
[20:37] <a_blip> But there is a chance
[20:37] <a_blip> go to tomorrow
[20:37] <webcs> Cant imagine doing that much work on a game and see it vanish like this
[20:38] <HeatherTim> why is tomorrow the last chance?
[20:38] <tom5> anyone have any good news?   ;)  (for a change...)
[20:38] <webcs> the programmers must want to shoot themselves
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[20:38] <webcs> The onloy good news is the buttons...truly
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[20:38] <a_blip> Some "game developers confrence"
[20:38] <HeatherTim> also the actors still support the show
[20:38] <webcs> true...they have been great havent they
[20:38] <Galenlove> I have a idea.I was thinking about putting in the local paper.Having anyone that likes B5 or Crusade meet out a bookstore,what do you think?
[20:38] <HeatherTim> Just sent buttons to Peter Woodward this morning
[20:39] <webcs> Local meetings are always encouraged
[20:39] <HeatherTim> good idea
[20:39] <webcs> Mention the mailing list and the chats too...get more people involved
[20:39] <Derfel> Austi, colis et tabernac, I'm late
[20:39] <webcs> if you could spend a little money on a local ad it would help
[20:39] <webcs> welcome Derfel...late but very welcomed
[20:40] <a_blip> Are people reading Rising Stars?
[20:40] <tom5> in a few weeks, I'll be melding some demographics together: the "MR2-Spyder/Crusade" test drive
[20:40] <HeatherTim> Also there are save Crusade flyers you can download with addresses and the like
[20:40] <webcs> cant wait
[20:40] <webcs> Have to continue to make people aware that there is still a solid support organization present and we arent going away...just need new participants
[20:41] <Galenlove> I need to call the store first to see if it would alright .
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[20:41] <HeatherTim> a_blip: have not read Rising Star
[20:41] <Galenlove> I have about 100 flyers!
[20:42] <HeatherTim> Hey Great
[20:42] <webcs> I know the local LIBRARY usually allows meetings
[20:42] <HeatherTim> :)
[20:42] <webcs> if its large enough that is
[20:42] <Galenlove> Really?I didn't enough think about that one,thanks.
[20:42] <tom5> considering that some in the southern states seem to want to revisit the American Civil War...we're only just beginning
[20:43] <webcs> Galenlove: seriously if you do organize a meeting let us know how it goes, it would be a major kick for our spirits
[20:43] <tom5> speaking of the burning of Atlanta...TNT is located there, isn't it?
[20:43] <HeatherTim> BURN BABY BURN
[20:43] <webcs> I know my nearby city library has meetings for other clubs, etc, all the time.  As long as your nonprofit
[20:43] <Derfel> nicely said
[20:44] <Galenlove> Back in July I did go around putting up flyers.
[20:44] <webcs> Maybe you can even patch those that can't attend because of distance through the net...
[20:44] <HeatherTim> :)
[20:44] <a_blip> I'm thinking that deep down in jms archives lies the script for the "Atlanta Chainsaw Masscare" :)
[20:44] <HeatherTim> LOL
[20:44] <webcs> lol
[20:44] <tom5> anyone know if the "Crusade" sets are still in "fold and hold" storage mode?
[20:44] <HeatherTim> I think they are still in Fold
[20:45] <HeatherTim> However the B5 sets are scrapped
[20:45] <a_blip> Tag line: One producer, one chainsaw - MANY suits
[20:45] <webcs> Well, if you pay attention to every episode of Crusade there are clues in all of them to his frustration
[20:45] <Galenlove> I did meet a few B5 fans because of it!!
[20:45] <tom5> what happened to the B5 sets?
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[20:45] <webcs> werent some of the B5 sets sold, auctioned off???
[20:45] <tom5> has anything gone up on eBay, yet?
[20:45] <HeatherTim> I believe that the B5 sets are scrapped
[20:45] <webcs> I know a company had some of the sets going up for sale
[20:45] <HeatherTim> I beleive that some things will go up on Ebay
[20:46] <tom5> all of them, or just the generic ones?
[20:46] <HeatherTim> Can't say
[20:46] <HeatherTim> don't know
[20:46] <Galenlove> I'm going to did it!!!
[20:46] <tom5> we'll be forced to rebuild B5, and shoot more stories there...on Digital Video
[20:46] <HeatherTim> Galenlove: great to hear that you were spreading flyers too :0
[20:46] <HeatherTim> :)
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[20:47] <a_blip> dang
[20:47] <Galenlove> I'm going to try in a couple of weeks.
[20:47] <webcs> Always thought a Babylon-4 concept would be a nice revival...good reason to make new station sets too :)
[20:47] <a_blip> I think you're going a little too far here
[20:47] <HeatherTim> Actually I'd love to see a Movie that deals with Valen and the Last Shadow war a thousand years ago
[20:48] <a_blip> Jms has other stories to tell
[20:48] <HeatherTim> in my dreams if I ever see it
[20:48] <Galenlove> What,about Babylon 6!!!!
[20:48] <webcs> a much younger universe might be nice to see
[20:48] <webcs> B5 was the LAST STATION
[20:49] <a_blip> Babylon 6 - Sacrelige!!!
[20:49] <webcs> B4 was the only other one that survived construction
[20:49] <Derfel> " the last of the Babylon Stations, there were no more" - Ivanova, Sleeping in Light
[20:49] <HeatherTim> B4 was much nicer too :)
[20:49] <webcs> yep.
[20:49] <a_blip> (B4 had a bigger budget :)
[20:49] <webcs> B4 was, is, amazing
[20:50] <Galenlove> Where,it is built by some aliens.
[20:50] <webcs> Yes, the only reason B5 wasnt as large is that they spent so much on the first 4
[20:50] <tom5> B4 was the all-expenses-paid station
[20:50] <webcs> it was built by earth and then taken back in time
[20:50] <a_blip> It even had engiens
[20:50] <HeatherTim> By the Way, Peter Woodward signed on for Crusade for a Cure
[20:50] <webcs> It had TWO, opposed rotating sections!
[20:50] <Derfel> "B4 - the wacky tale of a pair of castaways dragged back 1000 years into the funkiest war in the galaxy!"
[20:50] <webcs> hahahahahahaha
[20:50] <tom5> the 3D model was build by Foundation Imaging *after* they had experience designing B5
[20:51] <webcs> Think its the first space vehicle ever to have two opposed rotating sections like that.
[20:51] <Derfel> I can't remember - did B4 vaguely resemble the Excalibur construction station?
[20:52] <tom5> which is apparently *much* more stable
[20:52] <HeatherTim> No not really
[20:52] <webcs> no
[20:52] <tom5> derfel: no, B4 looks like B4
[20:52] <Galenlove> I'm talking about like 1000 years into the future.
[20:52] <webcs> but it did resemble the huge star-liners a little
[20:52] <tom5> derfel: you mean the "drydock" the big "E" was built it?
[20:52] <a_blip> It was green
[20:52] <HeatherTim> both are green
[20:52] <webcs> that PUN "b4" was intensional
[20:53] <a_blip> Hey ppl... check you mail... Kailin can't enter the chat
[20:54] <a_blip> B5 is blue? Or are you thinking of the liners?
[20:54] <tom5> some things I'd like to see in "Crusade: 2270": that fourth fin the "Excalibur" was originally designed with...
[20:54] <webcs> he might be truing to use a reserved name
[20:54] <Galenlove> Where,an alien found pictures of B5 and wanted to built the same dream!
[20:55] <tom5> I seem to recall that the "author series" starliners being green
[20:55] <tom5> B5 is blue, yes
[20:55] <webcs> most definitely lol
[20:55] <tom5> One of the first three Babylon stations is red
[20:55] <a_blip> Assimov
[20:55] <Derfel> that was the explosion, you fool
[20:55] <HeatherTim> B4 is green
[20:56] <webcs> the first three were destroyed in very early construction
[20:56] <tom5> derfel: I'm pretty sure of that paintjob
[20:56] <a_blip> They were rainbow coloured IIRC
[20:56] <Derfel> I know, I know
[20:56] <Galenlove> The found a rangers crush ship on a planet and found the info about B5.
[20:56] <webcs> no I think the one they showed blowing up DID have red tints...I think thats actually right
[20:56] <tom5> could be the same colours as the iMac
[20:56] <tom5> B5 is blueberry
[20:56] <webcs> lol
[20:57] <tom5> B4 is lime
[20:57] <webcs> Coming soon...Babylon-Blue
[20:57] <HeatherTim> lol
[20:57] <tom5> which one is graple?
[20:57] <a_blip> iBabylon
[20:57] <Galenlove> I know noboby likes my idea!
[20:57] <webcs> collect them all
[20:57] <tom5> with new translucent sections
[20:57] <tom5> "Yum"
[20:57] <webcs> We like the idea...just cant have B5 in it...kind of no no...
[20:58] <a_blip> And the specail Grey one comes with BIG GUNS!!!
[20:58] <webcs> Coming soon..B5 fun fruits...
[20:58] <tom5> the DV special edition
[20:58] <webcs> Got a question for you think the shadows would have played a part in Crusade eventually?
[20:59] <HeatherTim> Galenlove, I think B4 was destroyed in the comic book "In Valen's name"
[20:59] <Derfel> hmmm, interesting
[20:59] <tom5> yes, definitely, since the Technomages seemed to owe them a debt
[20:59] <tom5> the Technomages seemed to have owed them *something* for the technology transfer
[20:59] <HeatherTim> Not directly, however the technomages got tech from the Shadows and that would have played a big part
[20:59] <Derfel> a holdout Shadow detachment?  Or the whole lot?
[20:59] <webcs> It showed B4's final destruction yes, however, it was floating around for who knows how long and had quite a story to tell that has not been told
[21:00] <webcs> God I'd kill to see the shadows on Crusade...seeing that new shadow-like ship they showed got me boiling
[21:00] <HeatherTim> true
[21:00] <a_blip> There also was "the betrayal" Galen talked about
[21:00] <webcs> who knows how many times B4 may have jumped time
[21:01] <Derfel> the betrayal mentioned by the Apocolype box?
[21:01] <HeatherTim> that was a technomage ship
[21:01] <a_blip> Maybe some TMs have more to do with the Shadows then the order liked
[21:01] <webcs> "DO NOT TRUST.....DO NOT TRUST WHO.....GALEN"  oh god what a moment...ouch...more more more
[21:01] * a_blip hasn't seen that yet
[21:01] <webcs> good thought...maybe it''ll be mentioned in the books
[21:01] <Galenlove> Yeah,I know but B5 is not really in my idea.They only use the idea of B5 to created a new place.
[21:01] * a_blip was thinking of "The Path of Sorrows"
[21:02] <tom5> "
[21:02] <tom5> "B5.1"
[21:02] <a_blip> Gales flashback
[21:02] <tom5> ;)
[21:02] <tom5> The second season of "Crusade" should be interesting...
[21:02] <tom5> you're welcome!
[21:03] <HeatherTim> thanks for having us
[21:03] <Derfel> a blast as always
[21:03] <tom5> scary...a permanent record!
[21:03] <Galenlove> I have always wanted to see a show with no humans,only with aliens.
[21:03] <HeatherTim> don't give up hope people...just hang in there through the rough times
[21:03] <tom5> a show with only cyborgs...
[21:03] <webcs> yes, the transcripts will live on forever, I own the domain and its staying forever
[21:03] <Derfel> isn't hope the only thing that anyone has figured out how to kill? . . . . . . .
[21:04] <tom5> scary...
[21:04] <tom5> truly frightening...
[21:04] <Galenlove> Babylon 6 mine forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:04] <tom5> hope, and cochroahces
[21:04] <tom5> Babylon 7
[21:04] <a_blip> Now anybody can steal your idea Tom5
[21:04] <tom5> Babylon 5+n
[21:04] <webcs> HT: what's the official button URL again for the record???
[21:04] <Derfel> another thing I forgot!
[21:04] <tom5> where n is any whole-number integer
[21:05] <HeatherTim>
[21:05] <webcs> thanks HT...thanks for the info and the effort
[21:05] <Derfel> you need an easier url
[21:05] <tom5> In the year 9624, someone made the "Babyon Amusement Park", deep in neutral space...
[21:05] <webcs> I'll make sure to link it from ranger this week and show some button shots
[21:05] <HeatherTim> Thanks.  And thanks for having these chats
[21:05] <Galenlove> i wonder if  i could copyright Babylon6?
[21:06] <Derfel> bye bye
[21:06] <tom5> Galenlove: for what purpose?
[21:06] <Galenlove> no way right?
[21:06] <webcs> You could until you were sewed
[21:06] <Galenlove> I don't no?
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[21:06] <tom5> I'd take bets on how soon the lawyers would show-up at your door
[21:06] <HeatherTim> goodbye all
[21:06] <webcs> HT: might really consider getting a domain name so you will have a permanent address...they are just $15 at
[21:06] <Galenlove> I'm only joking o.k.
[21:06] <tom5> bye!
[21:07] <tom5> okay!
[21:07] <tom5> the really unlucky Babylon 13   =)
[21:07] <a_blip> bye
[21:07] * webcs END OF CHAT LOG...GOODNIGHT
[21:07] <tom5> now, we're "off the record"
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[21:07] <webcs> yep...hehe...
Session Close: Mon Mar 06 21:07:38 2000

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